This is an enthusiast's guide for those who enjoy their 8L A3. Some aspects of the guide may apply to Volkswagen's Mk4 Golf and Bora as well as Audi's Mk1 TT.

My name is Raymond and I frequent a number of forums both local to Australia and global as rayray086. I've created this blog for me, as I'm a bit OCD in keeping all the info I need in one package. As of July 2011, my A3T is my daily driver and it is stock standard. I came out of an 8V Mk3 so there's plenty of power for me from the stock 1.8T. I'm mainly interested in the suspension and aesthetics side of things currently. I'm a part-time student currently and have no mechanical qualifications, just a passion in all things automobile.

I'll eventually use this as an outlet to document my build, so I'll be using the appropriate tags/labels to make them easy to find.

As I add info/articles/blogposts on, I hope you guys who make their way to my blog will find the information helpful! Don't be afraid to comment away either - I like getting feedback and knowing that people are reading this.

11 October, 2011

Drop spindles

I'll start off with some definitions and some rather important background info.

Spindle is one term used to describe the wheel bearing housing that the tie-rod, strut and control arm bolts onto in the front of most Volkswagen and Audi front MacPherson strut setups.  Other terms used in place of "spindles" include hub carrier and steering knuckle.

For a MacPherson strut setup, good suspension geometry is achieved when the lower control arm (LCA) is parallel to the ground when the car is moving:



There's plenty of discussion over on the VWVortex boards, especially over in the Technical --> Suspension section.  Here are two that attempt to discuss it in-depth - http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?621342 and http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1363022

I'm no physics wizz but the from all the threads I've read about and from conversations, the gist of it is that lowering a car on MacPherson struts will alter the suspension geometry in a way that effects handling detrimentally.  What happens is, a result of lowering an A3, the LCAs, which are attached to the subframe, begin to point upwards, and this alters the aforementioned geometry of the control arms relative to the ground (see above pic too).



Filip of http://audittmk1.blogspot.com/ has made a great blog post explaining this using the concept of camber curve graphs.

So, with that background reading done, what can we do to maintain good suspension geometry when we lower our cars?  Put simply, any hardware upgrade to level out the LCAs will help in this situation.  One of the upgrades I know of  that deals with this is to use drop spindles.  These are different to standard spindles because of the lower mounting point of the ball joint (that connects the LCA to the spindle.  What this does is lower the angle of the control arm - if one was to compare two lowered A3s with the same ride height, but one has a drop spindle and the other doesn't, then the car with the drop spindle will have a LCA sitting closer to parallel to the ground than the one that has standard spindles.

These are the current "off-the-shelf" solution for drop spindles currently:
  • Audi TT spindles



  • H2Sport drop spindles

TBC

2 comments:

  1. Hi, great blog, great explaination.
    I'm like you, I love to learn and share.
    i'm french and i'm on vwwateraustralia, nonovw.
    there is the language barrier but I understand it is better to use audi TT spindles for lowering a 8L?
    thanks a lot, regards of the suburb of Paris....

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